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helixhelix
#41 Posted : Wednesday, April 20, 2011 11:29:32 PM Quote
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Hi Rich,
I think I'm a week ahead of you on MTX and yesterday I didn't have a headache at all, in fact not a twinge all day. Some aches and pains in other bits, but the head was fine. And today's version has been quite muted as well. So hope you're now seeing the benefits too, and head is improving. As for bloods, I usually manage to persuade the blood clinic to give me print outs of the last test when I go in for the next one so I can fill in my book myself. Don't know about your hospital etc, but here it's all on computer. And the pharmacist at Boots did check that I had had recent test (didn't look at results tho' - just that I'd had one). Isn't it amazing how much difference there is around the country? Not quite what the NICE guidelines are aiming for - but sadly what's likely to happen more & more as NHS gets hammered. Keep up the constructive criticism - if we don't voice the problems then nothing will ever change. Good luck with extracting info. Polly
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#42 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 12:54:16 AM Quote
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Hi Rich

This is a palaver and a half and one you should not be being put through. It's very disconcerting to think that for all you know the blood test results could just be sat there unchecked with some problem showing up that is going undetected. For example, when I had neutropenia last year I picked up the drop in neutrophils immediately from my blood test results (always check them myself simply because I like to be in control!). I posted on here because I was concerned and not too sure and Jenni picked it up and phoned NRAS who contacted me. I then got in touch with rheumatology and methotrexate was temporarily stopped. As it was the problem went on for four months but had it not been detected it could have had very serious implications.

Methotrexate is a fantastic drug but, as you know already, it doesn't suit everyone. It can take the full 3 months or so to kick in. It sounds as though the problems are worsening for you and possibly something additional needs adding to the mix. In the meantime do keep the pain relief well topped up, this can make a big difference to pain levels and functionality. Sometimes the side effects do wear off as the body gets more used to the medication.

Our pharmacy (part of the Health Centre) regularly ask to see blood monitoring booklets for mtx patients, especially after dosage problems leading to fatalities. Our blood results are checked by a nurse, not a doctor, and prescriptions are on a 12 monthly repeat. I was often asked about side effects too. However, I think this may be a local arrangement, perhaps similar to Doreen's. The monitoring booklet is supposed to be kept up to date and available for all health professionals to see. I take mine along to orthopaedics too RollEyes , response ... what the hell is this lot, we don't understand any of it! But I like them to know ThumpUp

At least the 17th May isn't too long off. Hope you are able to get something sorted.

Lyn x
My son, Ian, completed the BUPA Great North Run on 15th September running for the National Rheumatoid Arthritis Society (NRAS). You can read his story at http://www.justgiving.com/ianlukewilson

RichC
#43 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:40:25 AM Quote
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Hiya
Thanks all ...and Lyn..

Yep it is a nightmare .. but you have to think along the lines that , at present , i am capable of handling all this and the future grief with benefits .. whereas others are not.So hence i refuse to leave the care of the local hospital knowing that there will be others who are just putting up with the issues , without being able to voice their opinion.

I also like to be in control,and patient involvement is supposed to be a cornerstone of the NHS.

In fact i have doubts about whether my HCP's are joining the information from my scant visits to them with my monthly bloods.

Miracle of miracles.. i just phoned GP to check .. and they have just received results from bloods i had done Monday.Although they have no other past bloods... they stated that they were normal .. again i advised them that it is not just the fact that they are in the normal range but need to be monitored for trends .....Therefore .. now have a GP appointment for the 5th May .. first appt they can do :O

I seem to have no early morning stiffness , however severe fatigue , active pain from joints ,cramps in hands feet and back , and the fact i cannot write or type for too long . along with debilitating headaches mean that i am not happy at the outcome .(MTX-15mg/ week and leflu 10mg/day)
I would be quite happy to inject ..if that improved the symptoms ..but we will see.

Looks like two pieces of correspondence then.. one massive letter about the state of funding in Rheumatology to the CEO( and possibly the setting up of a patient group) , and another polite email expressing my above concerns about their monitoring and my current health to the Consultants Secretary (prior to my appt)


Good job i have free time .. just hope my hands hold out to type ;) hehe
Rich :)
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
smith-j
#44 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:39:40 PM Quote
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Rich

I have been following your story with dismay. I am sorry that you are not getting the treatment you should. I had to give up the Leflumonide because of the headaches so maybe this could be what is causing yours.

We are very lucky in Shropshire that our PCT has bought premises for a new Rheumy team outside of the hospital. It is staffed by two consultants, rheumy nurse, occupational health and if I have a problem I always have a phone call back within the same day if not hour. However, now that PCT's are being disbanded and the decision making handed over to the GP's I wonder if there will be the same level of funding. I am the only patient in a very large practice who has RA and I am teaching my GP about the ramifications of RA. I know if I was a GP faced with dealing out money, RA which only affects 400,000 would be very low in the priority list, so it does not look good for the future of our treatment.

I can understand your reasoning for wanting to stay with your local hospital but you must not let your health deteriorate to a point where it will be difficult to improve.

I hope you get something sorted soon.

Jackie
RichC
#45 Posted : Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:19:31 PM Quote
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Thanks Jackie..

Just got my blood results from the Rheumy nurse from an appt back on the 26 Jan this year:O (very close to 3 months later!)

ESR was 18 .. all other appear normal .. Using the ESR in any online DAS28 calculator and using the other info from the appointment that i have posted above. this gives me a DAS28 at that time of 5.5.

However this was late January and DAS28 scores are pretty much useless unless you have more scores to compare them to, and can identify a downward or upward trend.
This score was also from a time when i was not taking MTX but was on 20mg Leflunomide as the main drug.

Also just found out that the bloods quoted to me yesterday , were the bloods i had done Monday , and ESR is at 8 , so has gone down , which if i add to my own assessment of how i feel should mean there is an improvement in Disease Activity , therefore i am happy, in fact want to stay on MTX .. if i can get rid of the fatigue and headaches.... i must admit i can walk further than i could :)

Rich :)
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
helixhelix
#46 Posted : Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:44:03 AM Quote
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Hi Rich
It's 5th May - and yes there's a referendum today but equally important I recall you also had next appt today. So hoping that you got some progress & improvement in the way that your RA is being managed....... Polly
RichC
#47 Posted : Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:01:27 AM Quote
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Hi Polly :) .. no it was GP's on the 5th and Consultant next week on the 12 th .. the day after the Hardest Hit March :O so will probably be unable to walk :O

Thanks for asking :)

Rich X
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
helixhelix
#48 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2011 9:22:41 AM Quote
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Well if consultant sees you at your 'worst' then perhaps will shock him/her into doing something more effective! Good luck. P
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#49 Posted : Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:56:37 AM Quote
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Hi Rich

I think Polly is totally right, when I went up to Darenth for my infliximab infusion, brilliantly way of being able to keep in touch as you can imagine, I was a complete mess and they saw me at my worse and they got the full measure that day !ThumpUp So won t harm if you do overdo it the day before !

Julia Smile
RichC
#50 Posted : Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:16:33 AM Quote
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Well the saga continues ...
Had appointment with Consultant on the 12th May .. and actually got the write up a few days ago ..
Diagnosis : Rheumatoid Arthritis and Psoriasis

Stepped up MTX to 17.5 then 20 mg given 4 months prescription .. Gp had given me co dydramol for headaches and he stated that i should wean myself off them , he also stated that we will wean myself off the leflunomide (in the consultation) but the write up says pregabalin .. looks like another email.

My DAS score was 4.54 .. which is better than the one i worked out from bloods and nurse appointment that were taken on the same day 3 months prior(DAS 5.5) . (why they could not put the nurses report and bloods taken the same day at the same hospital together to get a DAS score i will never know!)

Felt very odd all this week and violently dizzy (if that makes sense ) ie i feel like my whole body is going to hit the floor and the world is spinning round .. and have to grab hold of something :O Headaches have gone , probably due to the Naproxen temporarily prescribed at the consultation.
Curiously enough i am having more problems with joint pain and tiredness than i did 6 weeks ago .

Got next appointment through .. end of September , which is nearly six months from the consultation (despite write up saying 3 to 4 months) and with Nurse ( which i prefer as from my one appointment with her i received far more info than from all the consultations)
If DAS is above 5 or remains high then they will consider me for biological therapy. :O
I will have been on Incapacity Benefit for 3 years when the next appt comes round in September , my disease is far from under control .. yet i still have 6 months between appointments? Go Figure !!

Rich :)

"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
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#51 Posted : Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:23:54 PM Quote
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Hi Rich

Sorry to hear as ever, that you are having problems. ! Quite surprised you received you letter so quickly 4 weeks things must be looking up !

Our hospital at Darenth is terribly understaffed as you know, and we desperately need at least two more consultants to bring us in line with other hospitals which cater for the same amount of potential patients i. e. Darenth covers an area serving 270.000 of population and Southend Hospital serves 330,000 and has 3.5 consultants ( one spends half the time carrying out research into the disease ). Need I say more.

I saw the consultant a few weeks ago, in the infusion clinic, the nurse called him down, only because I was in so much pain and felt so ill with it all ( I haven t even got a follow up appointment at the moment LOL ) consequently I came off leflunomide start away and changed to mtx as a last resort really as the inflammations is far from under control even though I have been on infliximab since November. Perhaps there is a reason why you are being weaned off it slowly, who knows ? That dizziness certainly needs checking out, I would get an urgent appointment with your doctor, even if it has calmed down somewhat. You might hear from others who have had the same problem which may help.

Take care, Julia Smile
suzanne_p
#52 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 10:15:32 AM Quote
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hi Rich,

well let's hope upping the dose of Methotrexate works for you .. sadly it didn't for me and i'm currently back down to 10mg plus Hydroxy while waiting for the Humira.

i think a GP's appointment is the order of the day for you,

let's know how you are getting on.

Suzanne x
smith-j
#53 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 8:00:06 PM Quote
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Rich

You are not having a good time. If you have not already done so make an appointment with your GP to discuss the dizziness.

It could possibly be the Co-Drydamol. I could not take this as it made me dizzy and all I wanted to do was put my head on my desk during work hours and go to sleep - I don't think they would have tolerated this. The only strong pain killer I have been able to take is Tramadol and even this was awful in the beginning for causing dizziness. I kept on dipping in and out of taking it. It was only when I went into hospital for a knee replacement when I was pumped full of morphine, did I find afterwards that I could take the Tramadol without the side effects. When I spoke to my GP he said I should have persevered with taking the Tramadol at full dose and then the dizziness would have worn off.

I was on Leflumonide but it did not work for me. I was not weaned off it - I just stopped taking it. Maybe they want to keep some in your system whilst the increased rate of Methotrexate starts to work.

As for the six month wait for your appointment - it is not good. I believe that they are giving priority to newly referred patients so that they meet Government guidelines and those who have already been diagnosed are waiting longer and longer. The only thing you can do, which I am sure you will, is keep ringing to see if you can get a cancellation before the six months.

I have tried two biologics, Enbrel and Humira but failed on these. I am now waiting for the funding to be approved to Rituximab and a bed in hospital for my first infusion. It is all a waiting game.

I hope you start to feel a little better soon.

Jackiex
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#54 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 8:53:12 PM Quote
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Hi Rich

I hope you are feeling better soon.

Sheila x
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